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Some assholes are suing YouTube to end sponsorships, and they will ruin everything

by ersatz_cats

Howdy everyone. I wasn’t expecting to write this bonus update as we await a certain judge ruling in another case, especially when I have an existing writing backlog which I am very diligently procrastinating on so I can play Final Fantasy 5 lol. But I saw some ridiculous nonsense show up on my Twitter feed recently, and I just had to say something right away.

As the passage of time teaches all of us, assholes have a tendency to ruin everything. Remember when you used to be able to use a public restroom without tracking down a clerk for the door code? Assholes ruined that. Or when everything didn’t come in impenetrable tamper-evident packaging? Assholes ruined that too. A long time ago, guys were free to sport a small Charlie Chaplin moustache. Some asshole definitely ruined that. Scalpers, cheaters, landlords, people who get free shit and then lodge formal complaints. Everything from electric cars to Harry Potter is just one asshole away from being ruined for everyone. Hell, not even your name is guaranteed to be safe from one of these twats.

Unfortunately, some assholes are now out to ruin something else. As I found reported by Dexerto, a bunch of unmitigated losers have decided to sue YouTube over the fact many content creators include paid sponsorships in their videos. The premise of the lawsuit is, these plaintiffs paid for YouTube Premium, an upgraded service which they argue guarantees an “ad-free” experience “free from interruption”. I don’t think I exaggerate when I say this is about the shittiest idea anyone has ever had, and will literally ruin YouTube for everyone, including the bottom-feeders participating in this lawsuit, to the extent they actually care about the YouTube experience they allegedly pay for.

Before I get into the nuts and bolts of what this all entails, I want to be crystal clear: These people are fucking assholes. (While I have read the relevant body text of the complaint, I am deliberately not linking the complaint nor looking up or discussing the identities of any specific plaintiffs. I don’t even want to know who these fucks are.) Now, when I say these people are assholes, I do so regardless of whatever motivation they may think or claim they have for doing this. If you urinate into the community drinking well, you are an asshole, regardless of why you did it. It doesn’t matter whether you were drunk, or were too lazy to go somewhere else, or if you deliberately did it to own the libs or whatever. You’re just an asshole. And anyone participating in this lawsuit is just an asshole.

But today, we will discuss motivations, and expected outcomes. I speak only for myself on this. I have discussed this lawsuit with exactly zero content creators, though I can easily guess how they feel about it. I am not representing anyone’s interests but my own, as someone who enjoys watching free content on YouTube. And this is certainly not a case of “Woe is the poor billion dollar media company.” I’m also not going to waste any time opining on the strict legal merits of the case, because I’m not qualified to do so, and because that’s really beside the point I wish to make. (If I absolutely had to guess, I would assume Alphabet Inc. has accounted for everything in their user agreements, and in the United States, the fine print is king.) Instead, calling back to the prolific history of assholes ruining things for everyone, I hope to illustrate why this lawsuit, even if it’s not “successful”, can and will be a disaster for fucking everyone, including me and you.

WHAT IS THIS LAWSUIT ABOUT?

Let’s get one thing out of the way early. What these people want is money. That’s what their lawsuit is asking for. To plagiarize one of my favorite content creators: The answer is always the same. Why did this dumb thing happen? Oh yeah, money.

I’m going to be 100% real with you on this point. If “litigants sue a big company because they want money” were the extent of it, I honestly wouldn’t care much. Grifters gonna grift. I’m truly sorry if any of you are offended by me saying this (lololol), but people stealing from the rich is not a problem I expend energy on. There are so many more important things to worry about in this world. For instance, I choose not to get worked up over homeless shoplifters ripping off big corporations. The infringed parties are perfectly capable of fending for themselves. (Since someone will no doubt argue this point, let me say I’m not particularly convinced of the popular maxim that shoplifting increases everyone else’s prices as opposed to lowering them, at least when it comes to major retailers. You can at least see the inflation that’s tied to things like the increased price of gas. Somehow, the way wage theft reduces your buying power never gets talked about the same way.)

However, when we’re talking about a lawsuit like this one, there are tangible downstream consequences for everybody. This is more comparable to that guy who goes and does something stupid, gets his own ass injured, sees dollar signs in his eyes, goes to court and says “Why didn’t the city install guard rails to prevent me from doing that stupid thing?”, and now all the reasonable people have to deal with these big annoying guard rails everywhere, so the next dumbass won’t accidentally injure themself on purpose.

With that said, this YouTube lawsuit is 36 pages, and it is at least nominally presenting as having a grievance beyond “You, rich company, give me money.” And lawsuits, even meritless settlement-fishing ones against rich faceless megacorporations, can have real consequences for everyone. And so from here on, I will set aside the obvious cash grab motivation, and reckon with the legal complaint on the terms it expresses.

It doesn’t take long to reach the crux of the author’s argument:

Wait, “marketing for local attorneys”? I’m immediately confused. Isn’t this supposed to describe the YouTube Premium experience? You know, without those platform-level ads that target you by location and interest? How are you still getting ads for “local attorneys”? Local to where, exactly? Don’t tell me they clicked on a video from some law channel, and the host said “Link share and subscribe, or if you’re in the Waukegan area and need a personal injury lawyer, call me at 555-HELP!” And now they’re suing YouTube because the thing they knowingly clicked on “advertised” to them?

So yes, the plaintiffs are upset that YouTube Premium is advertised (har har) as “ad-free” and having “no interruptions”, when the videos they choose to watch may innately contain advertising outside of YouTube’s direct control. As you can see above, the example they show is of a podcast with a mid-roll sponsorship segment.

Right away, it is not lost on me that the uploader of the given example helpfully isolated their own sponsor segment as a distinct chapter titled “Ads”, as if to help you identify which portion of the video the typical viewer would not have interest in, enabling people to better skip to their preferred content if they wish. And yet, this considerate choice is now being levied against the platform as proof of the presence of paid advertising. So I guess the lesson here is, don’t help people? I can imagine these plaintiffs tearfully begging some eatery at closing time, “Please, do you have any spare food, my family is very hungry,” only to swiftly cast aside the burlap sack, “A-ha! You just violated city code, buddy! I’ll see your ass in court!”

And here’s where the author expresses the lawsuit’s intention: Yes, they want money, but they also want to, in their words, “put a stop to YouTube’s misrepresentations and/or omissions”:

  1. Thus, YouTube Premium fails to provide the service that its members bargained for—an ad-free experience with no interruptions.
  2. Plaintiffs are YouTube Premium members who relied on YouTube’s representations that Premium was “ad-free” and that it would provide video content with no interruptions. Through this suit, Plaintiffs seek to put a stop to YouTube’s misrepresentations and/or omissions and to remedy the loss of their benefit of the bargain.

Don’t get hung up on their use of the word “misrepresentations”. These assholes don’t give a shit about the exact words YouTube used to promote their service, except to the extent such words can be weaponized. Loathe as I am to compare these jokers to the heroes at Stop Killing Games, a selective analogy here would be instructive. SKG doesn’t want game publishers to more openly announce that games are purchased strictly as a license, or to better identify when game service will be permanently ended. They want the industry to stop killing games. That’s the mission.

Similarly, the clowns backing this lawsuit don’t want YouTube to better identify that YouTube Premium will only shield viewers from YouTube’s own inserted ads, and that the service does not affect any advertising inherent to the content viewers choose to watch on their platform. They want to end in-video sponsorships, or at least, force YouTube to identify each and every one of them and exclude or auto-skip them for “Premium” subscribers.

If you don’t believe me yet, the complaint’s focus on and hostility toward what we typically call “sponsorships” is unmistakable. Note that the filing doesn’t actually use the word “sponsorship” except once when quoting state law, choosing instead to refer to these as “advertisements”, a rather broad label that is likely to have even more ramifications.

I’m sure some nonzero number of people reading this are thinking “Well, I don’t like sponsorship segments. What’s so bad about that?” Ah, my naive young friend – allow me to introduce you to the hell you would so easily embrace.

WHAT IS AN ADVERTISEMENT?

The complaint continues by listing several examples of YouTube touting the Premium service as “ad-free” and having “no interruptions”, as compared to the site’s cheaper “Premium Lite” service which represents as mostly free of advertising. They then list examples of in-content advertisements from major creators including Markiplier and Kallmekris, selling VPNs and soda and whatnot. Of course, the plaintiffs are scoundrels, so they make no effort to identify these spots being published by video producers as distinct from the ads YouTube has direct control over.

Now, I can only rely on this complaint text, as well as my renown mind-reading super-powers, but I think I can confidently say this about the plaintiffs: They know the difference between an actual YouTube ad and a creator sponsorship, but they’re pretending not to, in the hope of befuddling some Wendy Chang judge who has no idea what’s going on. (But yeah, I’m sure they’re super-concerned about YouTube’s “miSrEpReSenTaTiOnS”.)

The dishonesty also comes through when the complaint discusses the concept of “interruption”. YouTube isn’t “interrupting” anything; they’re allowing you to watch whatever bit of content you chose, even if the content you chose is “True crime podcast with the occasional paid advert mixed in.” As before, they know the difference. And once again, content creators attempt to mitigate the disruption of these ads, and those attempts are used against them:

  1. Some videos include a loading bar at the bottom of the interruption that moves from the left portion of the screen to the right portion of the screen, serving as a visual cue to show viewers when the regular and expected programming will resume.
  2. Some videos even label these distinct and interrupting segments of their videos, recognizing that they are interruptions.
  3. At all relevant times that YouTube marketed and sold the YouTube Premium service, YouTube knew or should have known about YouTube Premium contained interruptions—irrespective of whether such interruptions are coined an “ad” or a Promotion.

“Big mistake including that helpful loading bar! Don’t you wish you had made your sponsorships more annoying and unskippable?”

Again, they’re suing YouTube, because (even by a charitable interpretation) someone else “interrupted” their content. I mean, if someone knocks on their door, and they have to pause their video to answer it, will YouTube get sued for that as well? “Bwaaaaah, You told me there would be no interruptions!” What are those guard rails gonna look like?

And how the fuck is YouTube supposed to know what portion of your chosen content is the part you want to see, and which portion is the “interruption”? You clicked on it, motherfucker!

I guess all creators would now have to label their ads “The most important segment of this video”, so as not to be considered an “interruption”? Or actively try to trick viewers into thinking their spots are part of the content? Thanks for that, shitheads.

What if you’re watching like a cut-up of concert performances, and you like five of the six bands, but you just aren’t into Creed or whoever? Is that YouTube’s fault as well? “They’re interrupting what I want to see, and it’s an ad because they’re trying to sell a new album!”

And that brings us to an important question: What exactly is an “advertisement”? In other words, what precisely are the plaintiffs asking YouTube to curtail?

It’s easy to focus in on sponsor segments. You know, where it’s like “Hey friends, before we continue with the video, I’m super-excited to tell you about this laundry detergent or fuck whatever.” Those are more-or-less easy to identify. Content creator gets paid a fee, they promote a product. Advertising.

But what if they’re not paid money? What if they’re given free product? Is that still “advertising”? I would assume so.

What if it’s less of a direct product pitch, but more of a tech review, where the reviewed material was provided free-of-charge? Is that more “advertising”? Hell, are tech reviews in general in trouble, even if the reviewer paid retail price? Is that not “advertising” one way or another? Even if you click on it?

What if there’s a commercial pitch with no compensation at all? What if it’s their brother’s business, and they just want to help him by giving him a shout-out? Would that still run afoul of the “ad-free” experience? Can they even mention in passing the fact that their sibling owns a business of any kind?

What if your brother’s “business” is not actually a “business”? What if it’s a non-profit charity? Does that change things?

What if there’s no self- or family-interest of any kind? Someone’s just doing their podcast, and tells a story of how there’s a heat wave and they couldn’t wait to get home and drink their Gatorade with a Nutella sandwich. Oops, will YouTube get sued for that now? Because it promoted a product?

We can go on and on. Do you like watching sports highlights?

Maybe you still will after everything gets blurred out.

Do you like watching Games Done Quick on YouTube?

Not anymore, you don’t!

What about literal advertisements? I’m talking historical adverts of particular academic or entertainment interest. Mean Joe Greene, early Hamburglar, old jingles, smoking Flintstones, that guy who couldn’t say “Aaron Burr”. Is YouTube going to have to crack down on these to conform to an “ad-free” experience? Or what if, God forbid, you see some bizarre new Old Spice commercial on TV and you want to look up what the fuck you just saw? Because remember, the notion of “You’re the dumbass who clicked on the content with the advertising” apparently doesn’t factor into the equation.

“Oh, come on ersatz. The lawsuit’s talking about advertisements that interrupt content. You’re being unfair.”

Am I, though?

Are the lawyers really going to interpret this through the lens of your common sense?

The complaint proactively attempts to address a distinction made on a YouTube Help page between “ads” and things like “promotions”. Here’s a portion of that YouTube Help text:

You may still see branding or promotions embedded in the content by the creator, as well as promotional links, shelves and features in and around the content that are added or enabled by the creator.

Again, that’s YouTube trying to explain the obvious. Continuing with the lawsuit complaint, the author then provides what I would call a suspiciously detailed list of examples of such “branding” or “promotions”. One shows some guy asking viewers to subscribe to his channel. (Is that another “advertising” “interruption”? Can you not do that anymore?) Another example is of Logan Paul, placing a box of his Lunchable horseshit on a table in frame. Then there are those links you see in video descriptions, as well as promotions for available merchandise:

Oh, you can add that to the list as well. Content creators will literally not be able to stop and tell you about their merch stores, because that would be interrupting the content to advertise something.

A careful reading of the complaint would suggest these examples are included to show the difference between the “branding or promotions” YouTube describes, and the sort of standalone sponsorship segments people get worked up over. However, that framing is a bit subtle, and people – yes, including judges – are not always that careful when reading. I called the list “suspiciously detailed” because it reads as though it wants the viewer to walk away thinking “Wow, for an ad-free experience, YouTube sure has a lot of ads everywhere!”

But what I find hilarious – and this is why I don’t think I’m being unfair – is that the complaint author can’t even bring themselves to acknowledge “Okay, those aren’t the ads we have a grievance over.” Instead, they try to pull an “arguendo”:

In other words, “Assuming, for the sake of argument, that these promotions don’t qualify as ads…”

Kiss my ass.

As I said before, this is not a marketing issue. They’re not doing this to push for YouTube to pitch Premium more clearly as “Free of ads placed by YouTube directly, though of course there could be ads or promotions as creator segments or in the background of videos, and no, obviously we’re not going to actively police the content you choose to watch to make sure they don’t advertise you anything, you dumbass cretin.” As asinine as the plaintiff’s expectations may be, they do make them quite clear:

  1. YouTube could prevent its Premium members from being forced to sit through ads placed by its content creators, yet YouTube has failed or refused to take steps to eliminate such ads from the viewing experience of its Premium members.

And as a last “Fuck you”, the plaintiffs claim that the assurance of an ad-free experience was “a substantial factor in their decision to subscribe to YouTube Premium”, and that they “would not have purchased or subscribed to those services” otherwise. Right. They really want you to believe they bought YouTube Premium, and continue to do so, under the belief that doing so would scrub creator sponsorships and other incidental advertising altogether. Sadly, some sucker judge or jury may fall for this. I do not.

HOW WOULD THIS EVEN WORK?

Now, you might be rightly thinking that advertising is not a new thing, and thus perhaps issues like this have been reckoned with before. There do exist laws that attempt to define advertising. You see people with fake cigarettes on television routinely, but cigarette commercials in the U.S. have been banned on TV and radio for several decades. In some countries, advertising to children is highly regulated, and has been for a long time. So surely, one may think, some guidelines can be enacted, so creators can do their sponsorships for us poor plebs to watch, and the paid Premium members can have these segments auto-skipped… right?

The first problem with this proposition is one of scale. The FCC (or whatever you have in your given country) deals with a few television and radio networks, and each party has their team of attorneys. The affected entities can work directly together, and come to an understanding. YouTube simply cannot have that interaction with hundreds of millions of YouTube channels, the vast majority of which don’t have legal teams on retainer. Currently, there’s literally nothing stopping me, a non-monetized creator with a casual channel, from uploading a video with a pitch for this very blog site (which I have done), or even one with a sponsorship from some business desperate enough to pay me money.

The complaint’s own author inadvertently illustrates how impossible it would be for YouTube to actively police its content in an attempt to enforce sponsorship guidelines:

  1. According to YouTube, over 20 million videos are uploaded to the platform per day. Approximately 500 hours of video are uploaded on the platform every minute.

I’m sure some people who aren’t merely assholes fishing for money could have it in their mind that some rigorous system could be implemented, wherein easily-defined “advertising” segments are identified and auto-skipped for Premium users, as if this would work as well in practice as they imagine. Note that there already exists the next best thing. As someone who does not pay for Premium I did not know this, but YouTube actually tracks which video segments are most often skipped by viewers, and proactively offers Premium users the option to jump past those same portions, per a single touch of the screen. The fact that YouTube makes this skip optional and not mandatory makes sense, as nothing about the skip necessarily says “This is a paid sponsorship”. A podcaster could have said “I’m about to spoil the new James Bond movie, please skip ahead exactly sixty seconds if you don’t want to hear it.” Also, believe it or not, many people are fine with content creators doing sponsorships, and aren’t interested in skipping anything, even with the most convenient of options. And why should their experience be any less valid? Speaking for myself, Karl Jobst once did a topical joke in a sponsorship segment, and now as the diligent researcher that I am, I review his ad breaks every time just in case he does it again. So yes, YouTube does the good thing, and offers the most reasonable solution to make as many people as happy as possible. And they’re still getting sued for it anyway, because that’s apparently not enough.

There are numerous obvious problems with the proposition that YouTube could rigorously identify each interruptive advertisement and force mandatory-skips for whichever class of users want that option. But the issue is not really that some sort of reasonable line could not hypothetically be drawn in an ideal world. The problem is that YouTube will not bother with that. If this becomes a tangible legal liability, YouTube will overreach and play it safe. And they’re not wrong to, either! Losing litigation isn’t a suggestion, or a slap on the wrist. Even in the most ideal implementation, it will result in content creators being required to identify all their own timestamps for “advertisements” and “interruptions”, as broadly defined as possible.

Don’t believe me? Keep reading.

As an easy example, if you so much as briefly mention your merch store, you would have to identify the ten or so seconds where this “advertising” “interruption” begins and ends. You can’t just say, “Oh come on, everyone who clicks on my vids knows I’m going to pitch my merch.” Because the lawsuit is arguing the opposite. “We’re too dumb to know that YouTube isn’t responsible for any incidental advertising I choose to click on, so we want them to install protective fencing everywhere, because I can’t be responsible for managing my own YouTube experience.”

You just know, with certainty, that there are some people who welcomed the news of this lawsuit, who want to never hear about anyone’s merch store, and who anticipate the prospect of no longer having to manually skip sponsorships, who have also spent their lives complaining “It’s so stoopid there’s all these rules now about what you can’t do or say.”

So will literally every YouTube video now begin with the message “This video may contain advertising”? Would that not become the thing everyone is annoyed by? And would that even preclude this nonsense? “It doesn’t matter, YouTube still promised me no interruptions.”

And then you have the question of enforcement. What happens when a popular creator says the words “my sister’s restaurant”, and gets unexpectedly dinged? What will YouTube do about repeat offenders?

In this brave new world where this lawsuit is successful, and YouTube has to enforce an “ad-free” experience – which again, aside from the money, is what the plaintiffs are actually seeking – we’re talking about reliance on two mechanisms of enforcement: Self-regulation, and automation.

It just so happens, we don’t need to wonder what such a system would look like. We already have a crystal clear example in practice right now, and literally everyone fucking hates it:

That’s right, we’re talking about the potential creation of a new, second “copyright claim” system, except it would issue shit like “advertising violation” strikes.

This is what I mean when I say YouTube will play it safe and overshoot everything. Because again, this is now a legal liability. Fun fact: It’s already a legal liability, without the lawsuit even having progressed. YouTube is literally being sued because they didn’t clamp down on supposedly infringing activity by its users. It doesn’t matter that neither those users nor YouTube itself have done anything wrong, just like it doesn’t matter that your upload should legally constitute “fair use”. YouTube isn’t going to adjudicate this in your favor, not when they’re the ones being sued for your conduct. They’ll make you check a box saying “I agree that my upload conforms to YouTube’s new Advertising Identification Policy”, and they’ll whack you when the algorithm decides your meme reference to Wheaties or whatever violates your agreement.

Imagine a YouTube ecosystem where, if someone doesn’t like something you uploaded, they can get it scrubbed by narcing on you. At least currently, to abuse YouTube’s copyright policy, you have to claim to be the owner of the infringing uploaded material – which obviously doesn’t stop some liars. But this “advertising strike” system wouldn’t even have that restriction. “Excuse me, I pay for Premium, and that’s an interruption of the content I intended to watch.” How inundated is that inbox going to get? You don’t actually believe real people at YouTube are going to sit and read these claims and fairly weigh the commercial and/or interruptive value of each disputed segment, do you?

When Hbomberguy discussed plagiarism on YouTube, there’s a reason he was especially adamant that expecting YouTube to fix the problem for us was not a viable solution. He knows what that system would look like. So do we.

And Sweet Jiminy Jesus Fuckballs, what about the backlog of existing videos with “advertising”? Almost 15 billion-with-a-“B” videos that currently have no sponsorship/advertising identification (at least none that sufficiently conforms to a new mandatory rubric). Is YouTube expected to just start over!? Are they gonna have Google Gemini run through and take down all the old videos you love because they trigger some flag as potentially advertisey-interruptish?

Remember, the plaintiffs are refusing to concede that non-interruptive ads are not a concern. They are demanding a universally “ad-free” experience.

You might go the other extreme and say “Well, maybe YouTube can stop peddling their not-really-ad-free service, and forego that revenue.” While that would not affect me personally, that still falls squarely within the realm of “Assholes ruined it for everyone”. Lots of people pay for Premium, and are just fine with content creators getting their bag. They aren’t confused about what they’re purchasing. There already exists an understanding that YouTube can’t actually eliminate all “ads” and “interruptions”. As I’ve opined, the plaintiffs here are just pretending to not know the difference between “YouTube interrupts my chosen videos to show me their ads” and “The content I choose to watch innately contains sponsored segments that are distinct from the parts I’d prefer to watch.” They’re not dummies. They’re assholes.

The same principle applies even if you try to soften this proposition. You might be tempted to think “Okay, YouTube can still offer a premium service, but they can’t call it ‘ad-free’, they have to label it ‘mostly ad-free’ and make their qualifiers on what ads users will still see more apparent.” (As if that would satiate litigious greed.) But again, it’s not actually an issue of proper messaging. The universe where everyone (at least everyone with more than a single brain cell) knows that YouTube Premium isn’t literally universally free of incidental “advertising” or “interruptions” of any kind – that universe already exists, and YouTube is getting sued anyway, by people pretending to be confused why YouTube doesn’t actively police content creators’ sponsorships. The complaint goes to great lengths to demonstrate not only the existence of creator advertisements, but also the supposedly voluminous nature of them, something a change in rhetoric will not ameliorate. Watering down the guarantees may make a lawsuit like this less likely to prevail, but it will still come down to a judgment call on what qualifies as “excessive”, and it will not stop assholes from pissing in the well. At the risk of repeating myself, in my opinion, the plaintiffs are not doing this in the hopes of pushing YouTube to better inform them of the service terms; they’re doing this to change the nature of the service. (And for money. Always the money.)

If could go on one of my typical tangents about how complicated everything is, I’m sure some dumbass will accuse me of white-knighting for the big corporation – probably someone who didn’t bother reading the thoughts I expressed on shoplifting a moment ago lmao. I’ve been accused of everything at this point, and I struggle to care. This reminds me of a similar refrain, back circa 2010, after the passage of the so-called “Affordable Care Act”. Obamacare required all employers in the United States to provide health insurance to all “full-time” employees, defined as working 32 or more hours each week. So what do you think happened after its passage? Astonishingly, all these employers immediately cut everyone’s hours down to no more than 30 a week. Gosh, who could’ve seen that coming!? Where was Nostradamus when we needed him? And like clockwork, out came the defenders of incremental reform, ready to lay the blame at the feet of major retailers and such for doing the most predictable thing of all time. And when I tried to point out how ill-conceived all of this was from the start, I was shocked to find myself being called a “corporate stooge”.

They couldn’t understand that their favorite politician’s pet legislation directly incentivized the exact outcome they were bemoaning. It’s one thing when a CEO wakes up and says “Mwahaha, today I will be evil.” I agree, fuck CEOs. But it’s a different thing when you construct the dilemma, “You are required to shoot yourself in the foot, unless you choose to do this much easier albeit evil thing.”

And yes, like everything, it’s complicated. (Drink!) Continuing with my political rant, these capitalist enterprises will resist reforms we desperately need as a society, and there will come a point at which that resistance must be opposed in kind. But that’s for important stuff. In the case of Obamacare, I’d have been willing to stick up for the attempt, if we were talking about the actual wholesale health care reform that we desperately need in the United States – universal health care, with no “insurance”, free at the point of service, and not tied to one’s employer – rather than a bullshit half-measure band-aid (pun always intended) authored by the insurance industry specifically in the hopes of quelling the groundswell of demand for health care reform. (And even then, it wouldn’t hurt to craft the legislation to force the compliance you seek.)

Similarly, I’d be willing to back an attempt to force difficult change on YouTube if it was a reform that we needed. But this ain’t it. We’re not talking about an important cause, like combatting hate speech. Neither the sponsorship status quo nor the Premium service need to change. This is short-sighted, destructive nonsense, perpetuated by greedy plaintiffs, and supported by a few sponsorship-whiners who fundamentally just need to grow the fuck up.

GROWING THE FUCK UP

As I perused social media, I saw I was not the only one who immediately recognized what a disaster this unfolding lawsuit will be:

But as I’ve hinted, this isn’t just about the plaintiffs of this particular case, and the fact that they’re identifiable assholes. On social media, I saw a few randos expressing approval of this legal action, apparently eager at the prospect (implausible and/or ill-advised as it may be) of no longer encountering paid sponsorships in the YouTube content they watch.

These people are weird.

To be clear, I have met normal, reasonable folks who don’t like paid sponsorships and would, as an isolated matter, prefer not to see them. But like me, they understand why this stuff exists, and they tolerate it. That’s fine. If this describes you, please don’t feel as though what I’m about to say applies in your case.

However, I consistently find that the people who are really vocal about the topic, who are especially hostile to content creators doing little things to guarantee their income… they always turn out to be a couple sandwiches short of a full picnic. All you have to do is press them a bit, and you can see that not all the gears are turning.

Let’s start with an example – a true Internet scholar who goes by the name Empress Popplatine. Unfortunately for her highness, she made the rookie mistake of replying to me on social media:

Ah, so now I’m the twat. She paid YouTube to not see “the ads”, and so goshdangitall, she’d better not see any “the ads” anywhere, from anyone. As we’ve so thoroughly discussed here, this doesn’t work the way she seems to think. And I did try to explain this as best I could in Twitter’s restrictive character limit. But her eminence had other ideas:

“I’m not paying for them to police content, I’m paying them to… ensure… the content… on their platform… does not… contain…”

This is the level of intellectual rigor we’re dealing with, folks. One day, you will look for real grown-up scissors, only to discover every last pair has been replaced by those little kiddie scissors that struggle to cut melting butter. And it will be because of people like the Empress here.

It doesn’t take a lot of work to find or draw out these people’s other phony arguments:

“Content creators should get their revenue through things like Patreon instead.”

Okay, but if they can’t advertise anything, then how the fuck are they gonna tell anyone about their Patreon?

“YouTube should be paying content creators enough to not need sponsorships.”

I won’t claim any inside knowledge on YouTube monetization structures. Obviously, there would be many factors at play here, including upload frequency and viewer/follower count. Theoretically, one would be inclined to tolerate more sponsorships from someone who uploads high quality content very infrequently than they would someone who publishes low-effort clickbait every other day. But we can really set all that aside. This is a phony argument here because this lawsuit isn’t trying to solve that. It’s just pushing YouTube to curtail creators’ ability to make money independent from direct YouTube monetization. Attacking sponsorships does not help solve the issue being proposed. This is just bad faith rhetoric.

“YouTube should end sponsorships because some creators push sponsors that are just scams.”

Okay? Call those out. The specific scams, and the creators who push them. Don’t punish the creators doing the right thing. The answer is not more guard rails everywhere. I happen to know that there are creators who refuse to accept sponsorships from any entity with a cryptic business model, because it could be a scam. Good! And again, even if you want to entertain the given line of thought, this litigation is not seeking to remedy this question. The people behind this aren’t trying to solve the problems you’re invoking.

“If I was a content creator, I would never do any sponsorships of any kind.”

Yes, you would. In a snap, without any doubt. How do I know? You can’t even be inconvenienced enough to keep your yap shut about a thirty-second ad you’re free to skip over. You aren’t even able to clear that minimal hurdle. And then someone comes along and offers you thousands of dollars to plug some snake oil? You’re not fooling me, Jack. I can already see you’re not built of better principles than the rest of us. If the option were to become a reality for you, you would have exactly zero ethical quandaries about taking the money and letting it be someone else’s problem.

To spin yet another “I rarely discuss politics” tangent, the way these people’s lack of self- and institutional-awareness dovetails reminds me of something from early Gamergate. You may recall, that was a phony movement to promote “ethics in gaming journalism”, which in practice was expressed exclusively through wild, unchecked misogyny and harassment. Some naive people did take the “ethics in journalism” bait, though. An Onion-affiliated site posted a hilariously ironic takedown of the “movement”, sarcastically highlighting the disconnect between Gamergate’s actions and their expressed goals, insofar as those goals could even be defined. The best part was, the irony went swiftly over some of these suckers’ heads, as they openly and sincerely celebrated this Onion post, like “Finally, someone gets it! Yes, thank you! That’s right, we’re just good ethics enthusiasts who want you to report whatever we want, and then change it whenever we don’t like it, and then never say anything critical, because that’s how journalism ethics is supposed to work.”

That’s what I hear when I see these phony arguments over YouTube sponsorships, at least when presented in the context of something like this lawsuit. “I’m a gullible fool who doesn’t know how anything works and who is easily suckered by the worst people imaginable into carrying their water.” Any one of them would happily drive their car onto the Metal Detectors Everywhere Turnpike, follow the signs to Metal Detectors Everywhere City, then find metal detectors at the entrance of every store, and go “This sucks, how’d I end up here?”

Speaking of ethical quandaries, while I’ve been happy to make fun of tools who genuinely believe a lawsuit like this one will solve anything for them, thus far I’ve spoken of these marks as if they operate on at least a modicum of sincerity and good intentions. But I would be failing you if I didn’t make clear that there also exists a whole ‘nother class of asshole, who just enjoy making things shitty for other people. For these deranged souls, even if they enjoy watching the videos these content creators produce, the hardships of those artists are not a bug, but a feature of their entertainment:

Obviously, I did not make that meme. That’s how they think. Before the Internet, these types may have felt like cartoonish caricatures. No real person is actually that much of a steaming dipshit. However, steady interaction with our fellow humans has proven us wrong about many things, has it not? These sons of failed mothers never took the time or effort to get talented at anything worthy of the praise they apparently hunger for, and instead they built their entire personalities around how much of an asshole they can be. I suppose they spend their days indignant that no one acknowledges their true genius, while wondering why their “friends” are all losers and why they never get invited to the cool parties.

And of course, there’s nothing stopping this type of douchebag from hopping on social media and saying insane shit like “As a progressive woman of color who supports content creators, I welcome this lawsuit, because I think it will helpfully encourage YouTube to develop a more egalitarian system of content creator remuneration, which ideally would be whatever does not even minimally inconvenience me in any way whatsoever.”

These types are also who want to ruin things for everyone. But as I said in the introduction, it ultimately doesn’t matter why someone chooses to piss in everyone’s well. Doing so makes one an asshole either way.

I’ve said this elsewhere, but I am a firm, unwavering believer in the “Asshole Tax”. At times, it is the only true justice in this world. I know, I know, “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” I’m glad you were paying attention in Sunday School, but here in the real world, there are so many liars and scoundrels, many of whom are well-practiced at manipulating people to absolve their unrepentantly poor behavior. They don’t play by the rules, which means if they’re out of line, you can’t expect the rules to save you. Listen, I can only push this point so far when talking about any specific litigious assholes. For instance, I absolutely could not and would not encourage you to sneak up behind some problematic pissant as they lay on a couch, to drop your buttcheeks right on their face, and inject a heavily marinated fart directly into their nostrils. I’m merely giving that as an example of something I would not suggest you doing. I mean, you could get in serious trouble, if they can catch you.

Okay, jokes aside, deadass serious this time. This situation does not call for outrageous personal measures. Obviously, nobody deserves to get like maimed over any of this YouTube bullshit. It genuinely is not that serious. But it is serious enough to warrant organized opposition. At absolute minimum, the people who do this shit should not be given a pass or treated as welcome. Greedy assholes who try to ruin things for everyone should not enjoy the perks of good faith society.

WHAT IS THE ANSWER?

“Okay ersatz, you’ve outlined all the wrong ways to tackle sponsorships. But what do you propose we should do about them?”

How about nothing?

As in literally nothing?

You don’t have to “solve” a “problem” some assholes concocted in the first place.

What, are you gonna “solve” rain? By building a roof over your city?

Are you going to “solve” crime by installing cameras literally everywhere?

Look, I’ll readily admit, I just don’t care about sponsor segments. I see some folks get so worked up over them, and I am simply not on that wavelength. Maybe it’s a generational thing? I turn 48 later this year. I grew up on American broadcast television, saturated with ads. Somehow, being exposed to all those commercials, I didn’t end up with a house full of cat litter and all-in-one detergent and thrice-insured luxury cars. I just tune that shit out. “Blahblahblahblahblah.” That’s what it sounds like to me. Commercials are the time for you to take a piss, or get something to eat, or check the other channels. It’s not that hard.

I’m not trying to go to bat for ubiquity of advertising, but I understand economics. The money to pay for the stuff I watch has to come from somewhere. I don’t like it, but having some ads is a better system than feeding dollar bills into my television to keep it running. It would be nice to live in a society where everyone’s basic needs are met, where the money we’re currently pissing away on bloated military budgets and trillionaire tax incentives is instead spent ensuring all living humans enjoy a basic standard of living, and where creative folks could invest heavily in artistic endeavors without it also being their livelihoods. But needless to say, that’s not the world these plaintiffs are pushing for, and attacking YouTube sponsorships specifically would not be the way to go about it.

Creators who I routinely watch who have used sponsorship segments include Secret Base, Hbomberguy, Summoning Salt, Veritas, gaming creators like Kosmic, Pat the NES Punk, Abyssoft, and Lady Decade, “interesting stuff” channels like BobbyBroccoli and Defunctland, sports guys like Five Points Vids, Brandon Perna, and Jomboy, and last but not least, obviously Karl Jobst. (That list deliberately excludes outstanding creators I don’t recall ever doing sponsorships, like Shaun, Angela Collier, and music channel Electric Wendigo.) Of course, your own personal list of favorite creators will vary. But you obviously value their work. That’s the reason why you choose to watch someone from your list over someone you’ve never heard of.

I did not discuss this lawsuit with any of them prior to writing this – I’ve actually never shared even a single word with most of them – and I certainly do not speak for anyone but myself. But it’s not hard to put myself in their shoes. They don’t want to be pausing their fun content to pitch fucking War Thunder or whatever. It’s a job. You all have worked jobs, right?

I work a job! A real one. Everyone says or does shit at their job they’d rather not be saying or doing; that’s why it’s called work. Hell, if I’m not mistaken, Five Points loathes sponsorships so much he literally goes back and clips them out of his old videos as soon as the required contract window expires. But he still records them. Like LunchMoney Lewis, he’s got bills he’s gotta pay.

And it’s not like the artist’s struggle is anything new. Bob Dylan and George Carlin were famous for not doing advertisements, and then one day they did ’em. You never saw Willie Nelson in a commercial until the IRS busted his balls, and suddenly there he was singing for Taco Bell.

Even assuming, arguendo, that YouTube content creators wouldn’t be literally insolvent without these sponsorships, they’d rather be able to ply their talented craft without having to live in a shack maintaining a ramen diet while they do it. And I want better things for them as well. Sure, I’m not hoping for them to make society-disrupting amounts of money, but I want them to have nice stuff for the awesome work they do. Why wouldn’t I? Am I supposed to be at war with them? Whose dumbass idea is that?

Any push to end things like creator sponsorships is ultimately inextricable from the notion that artistic content shouldn’t be made by the people who are the most talented or the most passionate about it, but should instead be the purview of the independently wealthy. Imagine if all your sports highlights and speedrun history videos were done by some rich douchebag like Elon Musk, whose only “passion” is to show off how cool he thinks he is. Or almost as nightmarish, what if they pawn off all the work onto AI? Nothing but AI-generated slop as far as the eye can see.

And so, as with broadcast commercials in the days of yore, I just tolerate the thing I don’t particularly care for, because I understand why it exists. And yet, somehow, once again, waiting through sponsorships as I do, my house isn’t full of mystic cereal and boob deodorant and scrotum toner. I’ve never even considered trying to play Raid Shadow Legends, whatever the fuck that is. I’m still happily using my old leather wallet. I’m still getting my TV dinners from the grocery store and not through the mail. Everything. Is. Fine.

“But ersatz! Some of us literally would prefer to feed dollar bills into our televisions to keep them running.”

Oh I know. You are after all the ones choosing to give YouTube your money for shit you could watch for free. And honestly, that is your choice. You do you. To tell the truth, I would be happily subscribing to creators’ Patreons and stuff if I wasn’t a perpetual broke-ass who thus has to miss out on those sweet exclusive perks. But expecting that Premium function to apply against the free speech of the content creators you choose to watch does not work in practice, and even if it did, all you do is push for an ecosystem where everything is shittier. And at some point you need to put on your big kid pants and accept it.

I say “you” as if I’m actually speaking to the people who need to hear this, but let’s face it; there’s no point in preaching to the unconverted here. If these people can’t be assed to skip or ignore a 30-second ad spot, they certainly aren’t sitting down to read all this.

At this moment, I don’t intend to keep up on this case as it unfolds. YouTube has enough money to fight it. And I would prefer they do so rather than settle and reward these clowns with anything. My fear is that it’s already too late, that simply facing this legal battle will be enough to spook the megacorp into some stupid overreaction. I couldn’t find an example of a similar prior lawsuit on these same terms, so I can’t say for certain whether this bridge has been crossed before. Ultimately, my real self-interest is, I just want to be able to watch good videos on the Internet without everything getting incrementally crappier every year. If this does ever go to a jury, hopefully they don’t get fooled by the plaintiffs’ deliberate misrepresentations. And if we’re really lucky, maybe a couple of them also believe in the Asshole Tax.

Thank you all for reading! I’ll see most of you back here again for other matters, probably very soon.

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  • lol Yes, I’m am still going to write the other stuff I’ve promised, including about the David Race case and “Fallout Roundup” part 3. There’s some delicate stuff I want to make sure I get just right, which is why I haven’t just cranked it out. I was taking a casual pace until the new Jobst lawsuit dropped. My immediate plan was to table other writing while waiting for the judge to rule on everything, and then promptly cover that, which should bring us to a quiet period in those proceedings where I can get caught up on other stuff. (Discovery and depositions aren’t usually public, unless one party chooses to share stuff with the press.) But this news came up, and I felt I needed to use my platform to say something. Thank you all for your patience as always!

    • I was really excited to see today’s date on the RECAP last update refresh… only to find out they just added descriptions to the last two Karl replies from July 8 lol

    • Another refresh happened, but I have no idea what even changed lol, probably just some descriptions were corrected.

      Also, noticed that Michele Mitchell is still listed as a representative of JAMBP-something. Interesting.

      • Another update:

        Aug 12, 2026 — Order on Motion for Substitution of Counsel

        I suppose it’s the one where Michele from Jambo-thing was replaced with Michele as an independent?

        • Ooooh! After a nap, I refreshed my email first, and figured something was up with two new replies. I just wish the site said more than that.

          • PAPERLESS ORDER granting ECF No. 22 Motion for Substitution of Counsel. Johnson, Anselmo, Murdoch, Burke, Piper & Hochman, P.A. is withdrawn from this case, but Michele T. Mitchell, Esq. shall continue to represent Defendant. See [ECF No. 19]. Signed by Magistrate Judge Detra Shaw-Wilder on 8/12/2026. (mbw) (Entered: 08/12/2026)

            So yes, that was indeed a very delayed approval for substituting Michele for herself 😉

  • I’ve learned to use an RSS reader! I’m not gonna forget about this site’s existence again!

  • The bit about Obamacare reminded me of the ‘vid lockdown when businesses were scrambling for any kind of argument to be considered “essential” so they could continue operating. Because of course they’d be willing Olympic level mental gymnastics to avoid being shut down, especially when it meant potentially having a monopoly if the competitors failed to justify themselves as “essential”.

  • So many words (and misunderstandings) over a false advertising case. Apparently, Ersatz is fine with customers being misled.

    This word play by YouTube where a promotion is not considered an ad, is debunked easily by looking up the definition of ‘promotion’ in a dictionary, such as the Cambridge one, which has this as the only applicable one: “activities to advertise something.” It’s also simply a fact that these ads that are inserted into the content by the creator, are ads. That the creator inserts them instead of the platform, does not change what they are.

    It’s really very simple. YouTube claims that YouTube Premium is ad-free. The reality is that it is not. So it is false advertising.

    And this idea that this lawsuit could force YouTube to ban in-content ads is nonsense. YouTube has many options, including no longer advertising YouTube Premium as being ad-free. If YouTube does choose to ban in-content ads, that is their choice, and not something that a judge could order for a false advertising case.

    • Believe it or not, I do try to avoid negativity and cynicism, especially when responding to regular readers. I don’t want everything here to be hostility and arguments. But I must say, Aapje, I am coming to expect the consistently worst takes from you. And I see they’re not limited to the Billy stuff.

      You’re misrepresenting and ignoring what I’ve said to such an extent that I don’t really feel the need to respond to any of it directly. Folks can either listen to me, or they can follow you down the Everything Gets Shittier Highway.

    • Youtube has a feature where it auto detects sponsored content and skips it. I haven’t watched sponsored content in a long time. Is that what this is all about? They’re already way ahead.

  • “However, I consistently find that the people who are really vocal about the topic… they always turn out to be a couple sandwiches short of a full picnic.”

    Q.E.D.

    • Hmmm, Is that a shot at me? If so, I think I made effusively clear that I have little interest in sponsorships themselves, while remaining vocally wary of people – I repeat, people, spoken of mostly in the hypothetical – who want to poison the YouTube well and/or make life difficult for the creators of the outstanding content I hope to continue watching. (To say nothing of meritless lawsuits.) If I’m going to talk about them, and the damage they can do, it turns out I also have to talk about the “problem” of sponsorships, and why – consistent with my stated position – it’s not actually a problem.

      I’m reminded of a famous quote often attributed to Eleanor Roosevelt: “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” You will always, ALWAYS have smarty-smarts chime in, “Har har, that’s a quote about people.” It’s not. The author obviously meant “Small minds discuss specific people.” The quote is about hypothetical people, i.e. ideas. But you will never stop clever people from reading it the wrong way, either unknowingly or deliberately.

      Now, was I dumb to word the given passage the way I did? I dunno, you all can decide that. See my reference of struggling to give a shit lol. But it remains that things like this lawsuit are important topics, while simultaneously, the people always bellyaching about being “forced” to watch creator sponsorships can be consistently found to not be dealing with a full deck. Feel free to rearrange those assertions in whatever form you find more palatable.

  • Being honest, I had a hard time reading this and ended up abandoning it part way through. I can’t really get behind your take on this. Like, I understand that you want content creators to make good income, I do too, but at the same time it is really hard to disagree with the premise of this lawsuit. I can’t help but feel like all of what I read (which, admittedly, was not the whole thing) is just jumping through a lot of hoops and doing mental gymnastics. I don’t think you’re arguing against the merits, I think you’re arguing for a bias.

    The argument that these are not ads falls apart when you follow the thought process to its extreme. What if a youtuber got paid by a company to put a full-fledged commercial, that the youtuber did not make, into their video? Is that still not an ad because it appears in the video itself? These sponsorship segments are like one step away from that already.

    The argument that essentially boils down to “everyone knows that videos contain sponsorships so they should just be ok with it” is ridiculous. Why should the responsibility be on the end user to just accept that they aren’t getting what they bought?

    I also think that the dooming is a little overblown here. There are a lot of ways to solve this that don’t involve eradicating sponsorship plugs from youtube outright.

    Precedents go both ways. Saying that Youtube can promise a user an ad-free experience and that user can still see ads because it is the content creator, not the platform, that is showing the ad is a step toward absolving Youtube of the content that appears on their platform.

    • I appreciate your candor. I did try to say, none of this was intended as commentary on the legal viability of the case. Maybe the lawsuit is ironclad and YouTube fucked up royally. Maybe YT will come through with the right combination of fine print. I, as a non-lawyer, am just not looking to analyze it through that lens.

      > is a step toward absolving Youtube of the content that appears on their platform.

      Please correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is, as an effective social media platform, they really aren’t responsible, except in particularly defined carveouts, like for copyright. And again, they don’t look to thread any needles when it comes to that, they will overreach and play it safe. I also don’t particularly want an Internet ecosystem where like Facebook has a responsibility to clamp down on the shit I say. I’m tempted to posit exceptions like hate speech, but call me cynical, it seems like that always gets weaponized the wrong way. Is criticism of Israel “hate speech”? I would assert no, but it’s getting literally criminalized in some places anyway.

      I hope my doomerism is overblown. This all just has me concerned.

  • Another thought just occurred to me… Given the fact that certain internet browsers already block ads — thereby offering the “ad-free” part of Premium without the cost — perhaps the people who bought Premium specifically for that feel gyped, and that’s why they are hammering down harder. I know I’d feel annoyed if I paid for a specific service, only to find out later there was a free alternative for that specific thing.

    Not saying this is for sure part of it, just a spitball that could be tangled in this whole web.

  • That is, I think, the case in general (like you said there are exceptions), as far as content that violates something they’ve promised to a consumer, I don’t know, I guess the lawsuit will clarify that.

    But where I am ultimately going with this is that if Youtube is not responsible for their agreement with the end user being violated, that could mean that the creators themselves are responsible.

    There really isn’t a serious argument to be made that the experience remains ad-free and uninterrupted with the existence of sponsorship segments, at least not in my opinion. The agreement has, in truth, been violated and premium users are not getting what was marketed to them.

    So if Youtube isn’t responsible, who is and why would that be preferable? I have to think that a world in which the burden is on the creator to not advertise is one in which the creator is worse off.

    • Well, thank you for constructing the dilemma as you did, since it makes my answer easy. The responsibility (or “burden”) is on the people purchasing “ad-free” YouTube to understand that YouTube can and should withhold their own inserted ads, but (at the risk of repeating myself) they cannot and should not be policing and censoring the content you choose to watch. It can feel like an easy fix if you limit yourself to thinking only of classic interruptive sponsor segments (which of course ignores that some people will want to watch creator’s sponsor segments if they’re known to say wacky things during them). But there is no material distinction between those spots and all sorts of other advertising, as I’ve illustrated. And even the plaintiffs themselves refused to concede that distinction. There literally cannot exist an “ad-free” YouTube, the same way there literally cannot exist an “ad-free” Netflix, or whatever else.

      FWIW, I ended up cutting out a reference to “ad-free Cable TV” showing movies with sponsored segments, like the pizza bit from the first Ninja Turtles movie. Would that not violate the “ad-free” experience? How would the network cut out these scenes for people who don’t want to see them, but leave them in for people who just want to see the uncut original movie? But someone in one of my screenshots effectively made the same point.

      I would agree that YouTube’s fine print should adequately reflect all of this. But I would be satisfied with that – even if naive people choose not to read the fine print and sincerely believe “anything I consider advertising will now disappear” – over guard rails to protect everyone from people who pretend to be ignorant for lawsuit money.

  • I bought YouTube Premium to not see any ads. After that I did not know what to do so I asked YouTube “wassup?” YouTube answered with an old Budweiser commercial. I feel slightly inconvenient so I should prob. sue them for millions.

  • Tell me more about this “free” healthcare! Will we have slaves providing it? I am okay with slaves providing the “free” healthcare that you dream of, as I have no medical expertise, so surely I won’t be providing it.

    Ersatz, you do fine when you stick to topics, like lawsuit details, however, when you drag your incoherent political ideals into your articles, the quality of your positions, and arguments, fall apart at a dramatic rate.

    • You are a silly. Free at the point of use means you don’t have to worry about the cost because it is paid through taxes, so when you, or indeed anyone else, require an ambulance in an emergency, you call for an ambulance rather than try to figure out whether or not the ambulance will be covered by your insurance while bleeding out.

      The US being the only G7 nation with no universal healthcare is not something to be proud of.

      • “Free” at the point of use? How does that work for those who pay no taxes? Do they get “free” medical care?

        If so, then someone else is being forced to cover their share of the cost. You go ahead and support the 100 million+ that are going to receive “free” healthcare. No one is stopping you from providing their care, however, some of us reject the idea that we be compelled to pay for healthcare for those who refuse to support themselves.

        The bottom line is those who want the “free” healthcare won’t be covering the costs of that care, and they seek to mandate others to bear that burden. Those of us who pay our own way are saying “No!”

        • Yes everyone gets free healthcare because to do otherwise is utterly ridiculous. Lack of access to healthcare in the US alone costs the economy hundreds of billions of dollars annually. Why would we continue that bizarre act of self-harm? So we can stick it to the feckless and infirm?

          https://unctad.org/press-material/covid-19-unctad-warns-lost-decade-if-austerity-becomes-countries-winning-policy

          What of those who can’t work to support themselves? Do we just leave them on a hilltop to die? Give them weapons and watch them back each other to death for entertainment? “God’s will”?

          Then the question turns to the number of people who would be able to return to work if they had ready access to healthcare. What would the economic benefits of that be, never mind how much it would reduce the burden upon you?

          The bottom line is universal healthcare has more benefits than costs. People wouldn’t require a job they hate to access healthcare, reducing stress and increasing job performance, people with chronic conditions who are unable to work because of the cost of healthcare would be able to return to work and increase productivity in all sectors, reducing costs across the board, and the decrease in lost productivity as a result of people being able to afford healthcare and not have to take as much time off work would do the same.

          But you keep worrying about you and yours. Why should society be able to have nice things if it costs you a few dollars more from your paycheck? Fuck you, got mine, amirite?

          • I noticed that you assume I “got mine”. Trying to make your attacks personal?
            It’s lazy of you to not address who you are planning to enslave, to pay for your ideal healthcare system.
            But your weak argument, and delusional politics leave you to respond, telling me “fuck you”.
            That is your best argument? You cannot defend your demands, the ones that mandate others pay for this “free” healthcare, so all you can do is respond with insults and foul language. Typical of those with your defective set of ideals – someone else pay for it, gimme gimme!
            That means you lost the argument.
            I suppose that you are used to losing by now.
            Now it’s my turn to make a lazy argument.
            I got mine, because I worked for it – me and mine “got ours” as you say, like the fucking child that you are. You are right about one thing though, I don’t want to “a few dollars more from my paycheck” to support “people” like you. They are my dollars, I earned them, and I enjoy watching those like you struggle.
            I’d prefer to watch you suffer, victims of your own ineptitude and laziness.

          • Oh my. I didn’t realize that I was trying to have a discussion with a person from a nation of no consequence.

            You are a clown, with weak arguments, busy pushing your failure agenda, from your failure nation. We laughed your ideas and authority away over 250 years ago. In the meantime, your nation has been colonized by animals, while we enjoy a high standard of living, and freedom that you can only read about, but never enjoy or understand.

            Do you think it is normal, to make policy arguments for citizens of other countries, while you would not be subject to the policies you advocate for? Were you dropped on your head with alarming frequency, so much that you attempt to influence individual lives in nations where no one even thinks about you or your fellow idiots, yet you think we would care what you think?

            Little man, it is time to grow up, and not attempt to forcefully interject your ignorant, unqualified opinions and ideas, that come from your pitiful educational indoctrination, instilled by your the new rulers of your formerly glorified home country. You are arguing from a position of embarrassment and failure. Maybe on the other hand, you should keep arguing for slavery, i.e. taxpayers should just pay for it? Who decides who pays, and how much? You? Who is being forced to pay for the “free” medical care, halfwit? Defending forced work is a good look on you, dumbshit. Keep on advocating to bring back slavery dipshit.

          • Okay, I’m going to leave this last exchange up (yes, including the thinly veiled racism), so people can see what led to this if they wish. However, that’ll be quite enough from “cicl”.

            But yeah, deranged guy who doesn’t understand free healthcare and openly wants people without it to suffer thinks I should talk about politics less lmao.

          • So Cicl tried to post a “Gosh golly, what did I do, this came out of nowhere” style reply, which got auto-moderated. Standard stuff. I’m sticking to what I said about Cicl being done here, so I’m not approving it. Everything prior to yesterday’s two replies, my reaction was “I disagree, but whatever, you’re allowed to say it”. But those were just waaay out of line, on multiple levels.

            Cicl asks, in a nominally sincere tone, what they said that could possibly be racist. Since I’m only happy to be clear, I was referring to this:

            “In the meantime, your nation has been colonized by animals”

            That’s a blatant anti-immigration dogwhistle. All the filthy animal races are invading our pure European homeland, yadda yadda. I’m not sure what else they could have meant. Was Cicl referring to like a raccoon infestation? Somehow, I don’t think so.

            Cicl also says I undermine my wok on Billy Mitchell when I invoke politics. For starters, I’d point out this post had nothing whatsoever to do with Billy Mitchell, and kind of naturally veered into politics (broadly defined) anyway, so I felt some liberty to run with that. There’s also the fact that, while I do try to limit politics in my actual Billy posts (out of respect for the fact that not everyone who follows that saga are in political agreement with me), I’m still quite outspoke on Twitter, so I’m still liable to offend followers anyway. At some point, folks have to accept that I stand where I stand, and I try my best to do likewise, at least for matters within the sphere of reasonable disagreement.

            But lastly, politics gets so broadly defined. I can’t say everyone deserves healthcare? Because that’s “political”? As Coronation Street pointed out, every other major industrialized nation has this figured out. What next? Am I not allowed to say LGBTQ folks should have equal rights, because bigots disagree? Am I not allowed to say genocide is bad, because it might offend literal Nazis? It’s the assholes who are making these otherwise universally acceptable topics “political”. It’s all circular. Fox News makes universal healthcare “political” by drilling into your head how supposedly “expensive” it will be while intentionally failing to acknowledge that Americans would no longer be paying for insurance (either directly or as employment compensation), and that the universal model would be cheaper overall – except obviously the health-denial industry would take a hit on their stock portfolios.

            Anyway, personalized snark is fine. “I’m an asshole who enjoys being an asshole, and there’s nothing you can do to stop me” is not (See “Asshole Tax”), nor is racism, nor are unhinged meltdowns. Tell it to Hannity.

          • Okay, I’m still not approving Cicl’s new stuff, but I just went through the moderation queue – something I deliberately took my sweet time to do, lol. A couple valid comments by Coronation Street got swept up, and I approved them. But Cicl did come back to post one more brief remark. I’m going to stick to the ban and not approve it, but I’ll repost it in its entirety here:

            > One disagrees with your politics and out comes the ban hammer. Hahaha typical.

            It’s wild how readily far-right nutjobs just fucking lie. I swear, it’s like breathing to them. I could maybe take you and your beliefs more seriously if you took them more seriously yourself.

            Also, I think folks may have misunderstood, I did not lock this specific thread. I’m not even sure I’m capable of doing that. This WordPress setup automatically disables replies after a thread gets X deep, and at that point you have to reply to the last previous comment where it’s still enabled (the X-minus-1, if you will). That’s how I’m posting these.

          • I’m sorry then, I didn’t know there’s a limit on how deep a thread can be before it can no longer be replied to in WordPress. Never had to host anything like that, and my assumption was based on the fact that this was the moment you intervened.

            I know there are some ban-happy creators, but Ersatz is certainly not one of them. At times I read some outrageous comments left on some more politically inclined posts here, and frequently disagreeing commenters (sometimes genuine, other times trolls) that don’t get blocked. I swear, way too many people can’t tell a difference between holding different opinions and inflammatory incites of hatred.

          • Thank you, Max! No prob at all. 🙂 I didn’t want to put you on the spot over the assumption. I’ve seen many people assume the same here. A while back there was some controversial back-and-forth, and mine was the X reply, and I saw someone go “Ohohoho, now ersatz locks it so he gets the last word.” shrug face

            In retrospect, going back to the days of the Australia trial, I should have clamped down on some things more than I did. But not that much more. I like letting things lie when I can. Some people though, they just want to get banned. That’s their preferred experience. So they’ll keep escalating until they do.

  • I learned if you put the videos you’re watching into second gear before clicking on them the ad doesn’t appear. And that’s how Todd Togers defeated the YouTube. Milly Bitchell also claimed to be the first person to score 1,000,000 ad blocks on Donkey Tube with a gold play button he discovered hidden in the apps code. Fun times!

  • I know you locked that certain reply chain for a good reason, but… damn. I’m kinda sorry now for thinking you were sometimes too political lol, that dude was outright insane.

    It’s quite funny how many creators I follow are ones I don’t always agree with (which I guess is a healthy relationship, agreeing 100% with every single thing genuinely is nigh impossible, or else it becomes closer to a cult), but all their detractors tend to act ridiculously in their failed attempts to disparage the creator.

    • (Note: Ersatz did not, in fact, lock that reply chain, or any other. See his comment from August 7 above. Just decided to add in case anyone will read through comments in the future.)

  • RE: cicl… looks like I touched a nerve 😅 evidently boiling down their argument to its core short-circuited them or something. I was unsurprised they ignored the article I linked to and the other assertions I made in favour of being offended by my (admittedly vulgar) summary of their position.

    On the other hand. I sure would love (by which I mean I’d be utterly terrified) to see how their completely privately run legal system would work if making people pay taxes is akin to slavery. Anyway…

    I should probably comment on EC’s article, though it’s not that interesting since I fully agree with it. YouTube, win or lose, will have to make changes to avoid future lawsuits. These changes could be as little as changing the wording of the T&Cs nobody reads, or – more likely – they go for the over abundance of caution route and utterly decimate creators ability to draw in money from outside sources.

    The lawsuit does nothing for anybody “affected” by seeing easily skippable sponsorships on videos, and will likely make using the service worse for everyone, creator and consumer alike merely by its existence, never mind its conclusion.

  • Ah well, I apologize for my part in the need for extra moderation.

    I do agree with the article. YouTube will have to respond whether or not they win, and that will probably make the service worse to use for everyone, creators and watchers alike, as shareholders won’t accept an opening for a lawsuit remaining open, so the executives will have to close that loophole and then some in order to maintain their confidence.

    We might get lucky for it to just be changing the wording of the T&Cs, but they’ll probably put some restrictions on how creators receive money from third parties.

    • Oh, you have nothing at all to apologize for. I’m glad you spoke up, as I was going to let the initial “You want healthcare slaves” remark stand – even though I specifically said “free at the point of service” when I could have just said “free” and assumed people would know I meant good thing and not insane made-up thing. And the only reason I didn’t respond was I’d prefer not to be that guy who replies to every little thing. I appreciate you countering that so I didn’t have to. The only thing you said that could arguably have crossed any line was “Fuck you, got mine, amirite?” But I understood that wasn’t a personal attack, that was literally the standard counter-argument to their position, pointing out that people opposing healthcare overhaul have that attitude “Fuck you, I got mine, that’s your problem.” It certainly didn’t justify what came next.

      But yeah, hopefully it’s just a T&C revision or something light.

      • Eh, I said the “fuck you, got mine” part suspecting it may ruffle feathers, even if it is an accurate summation of the argument. Cicl knew that also, even if they wanted to pretend to take it as an offensive remark later in their response.

        However much the response made me chuckle, had I known it would lead to a bizarre right-wing tirade on your website, I’d have been a touch more polite. You might be keeping it through choice, but I still feel bad for my part in inspiring it.

        I am the embodiment of the xkcd in which the guy is asked to go to bed by his SO, saying he can’t because “someone is wrong on the internet” 😅 I should probably work on that.

  • Totally off topic, but your typo of “I undermine my wok on Billy Mitchell” in the comments made me excited for your upcoming cookbook deal that you have in collaboration with Billy Mitchell and his hot sauce.

    • lol It’s Pac-Man themed, of course. “Wok-a Wok-a”. And it’s not a collaboration. I’m just straight up selling a book with his name and image prominently on the cover, without his permission. You can do that in Florida now, right?

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